Re: SoKoTres
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:56 pm
Just updated the download and the corresponding description after uploading version 013. Give it another try...
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Re: SoKoTres
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:01 pm
10/10 download - contains Readme
Re: SoKoTres
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:52 am
I finished building the maze for level 2 a while ago. It's missing the triggers yet. Currently, the player will get teleported to the start of level 2 after completing level 1. And so forth for the remaining levels. Or should I make each SokoBan level a standalone level within Trespasser, connected by level load triggers, and release each of them separately? The current plan is a single Trespasser elvel containing all SokoBan levels...
Re: SoKoTres
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:14 am
I would say keep them all in the same level is possible. Personally I would find it a bit annoying to have 20 (or 50 for the 2nd one) different levels with the same purpose if they could be in the same one.
Re: SoKoTres
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:19 pm
Yes, I thought so. But it means you'll have to wait quite a while for the next release...
Re: SoKoTres
Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:03 pm
Agree with tatu - make them all a single level. Having to load between 20 different levels would be somewhat annoying. Plus cheaters can't skip to the end.
Re: SoKoTres
Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:35 pm
Oh, I totally agree with those points. But it will demand patience from you while I continue building the mazes...
Re: SoKoTres
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:34 am
Patience is a virtue which all TresCom members should have by this point, waiting for new levels and beta releases and so on. Should add that as a required tick box when new users register to the site.machf wrote:Oh, I totally agree with those points. But it will demand patience from you while I continue building the mazes...
Re: SoKoTres
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:09 pm
Hahahaha.
Re: SoKoTres
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:45 am
Remember this part?
It didn't work, damn it...
I finished pushing all 10 crates into place, and the end game trigger didin't fire... I need to run further tests.
I shudder thinking what may happen when I build a level where you have to palce 20 crates...
Well, level 2 has 10 crates - and now the FireExpression again becomes too long and it crashes. So, I decided to break it into two parts, each on none trigger testing for 5 crates, and a third trigger performing a logical AND of both the other ones.machf wrote:I kept doing that, saving after updating, then closin the level, then reloading it... but then it happened AFTER I edited the last trgger, while I was saving.
Guess what I've just found out? Strings in t-scripts (the part between quotes) can't be more than 128 characters long (or maybe it's 127, I don't know for sure). I had 6 triggers whose names were 21 characters long, I was making a FireExpression of the form "@Trigger01-00 & @Trigger02-00 ...", it worked fine when I had only 5 triggers in it, but as soon as I added the 6th one, TresEd crashed. GeomAdd would crash, too, as soon as I attempted to import a TPM file with that long string in its values.txt file. I had to rename each of the 6 triggers to shorten their names, so that the FireExpression wouldn't be too long.
Now I'm going to test if the triggers are working fine. If they do, I'll upload this version...
It didn't work, damn it...
I finished pushing all 10 crates into place, and the end game trigger didin't fire... I need to run further tests.
I shudder thinking what may happen when I build a level where you have to palce 20 crates...
Re: SoKoTres
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:07 am
Tons of ways to solve that but you might bring it up with Lee. Probably script cases not addressed by devs.
Re: SoKoTres
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:38 pm
Half-Life 1 developers did a funny way to handle triggers. They made it so if a trigger expression finishes a FunctionRotate had been activate. This in turn unblocked a Laser causing damage to a trigger behind it which triggered the actual action. What I could imagine is having a hidden physics object under the floor. Then the trigger expression fires the object is un-frozen falling down touching a trigger. Each expression combination triggers one such object. When all fell down the final trigger expression is valid and fires. Does this sound like a plan? Never tried this myself but from what I remember from TresScripting it should be doable with little effort.machf wrote:Remember this part?
Well, level 2 has 10 crates - and now the FireExpression again becomes too long and it crashes. So, I decided to break it into two parts, each on none trigger testing for 5 crates, and a third trigger performing a logical AND of both the other ones.machf wrote:I kept doing that, saving after updating, then closin the level, then reloading it... but then it happened AFTER I edited the last trgger, while I was saving.
Guess what I've just found out? Strings in t-scripts (the part between quotes) can't be more than 128 characters long (or maybe it's 127, I don't know for sure). I had 6 triggers whose names were 21 characters long, I was making a FireExpression of the form "@Trigger01-00 & @Trigger02-00 ...", it worked fine when I had only 5 triggers in it, but as soon as I added the 6th one, TresEd crashed. GeomAdd would crash, too, as soon as I attempted to import a TPM file with that long string in its values.txt file. I had to rename each of the 6 triggers to shorten their names, so that the FireExpression wouldn't be too long.
Now I'm going to test if the triggers are working fine. If they do, I'll upload this version...
It didn't work, damn it...
I finished pushing all 10 crates into place, and the end game trigger didin't fire... I need to run further tests.
I shudder thinking what may happen when I build a level where you have to palce 20 crates...
Re: SoKoTres
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:10 pm
The thing I find despairing is that I need to set up a host of multiple triggers for something that should be easily doable with a single one...
I mean, I'm already using SIX triggers just to determine if a crate is placed in a given spot or not, times six (for six spots in the first level) or times ten (for ten spots in the second one), plus an additional trigger that ANDs together he results of the last one of each six sets (or ten sets in the second level)... and now I'll need even more.
I mean, I'm already using SIX triggers just to determine if a crate is placed in a given spot or not, times six (for six spots in the first level) or times ten (for ten spots in the second one), plus an additional trigger that ANDs together he results of the last one of each six sets (or ten sets in the second level)... and now I'll need even more.
Re: SoKoTres
Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:24 pm
Victory!
I managed to get the triggers working just by adding two more triggers and slightly modifying a few more. Now the same process should apply for any further levels wih even more crates.
Maybe I'm going to upload this version with levels 1 and 2 just in case...
I managed to get the triggers working just by adding two more triggers and slightly modifying a few more. Now the same process should apply for any further levels wih even more crates.
Maybe I'm going to upload this version with levels 1 and 2 just in case...
Re: SoKoTres
Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:31 am
Never know when those Tres level gremlins will strike