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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:44 pm 
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To semi-correct machf and tatu - CE DOES indeed have support for all of ATX's functions, as far as I'm aware, but many of them are implemented in completely different ways, some of which most of us do not know how to work with yet. You can still play ATX-dependent levels in CE, but they will be missing a few tiny features, including an accessible map and jumping Raptors. There are ways we have come up with to make some things, such as randomized object placement, spitting dilophosaurs and a HUD work in CE, but they require some modding skill to get set-up on older ATX-made levels. CE makes some major upgrades to the engine itself which ATX doesn't have, which in my opinion are worth sacrificing the ATX features to get working (especially since my computer can't run ATX anymore due to a keyboard bug).

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:37 am 
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So Lee came in and helped us out with the plugin system. Has anyone tried it?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:01 am 
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To semi-correct machf and tatu - CE DOES indeed have support for all of ATX's functions

No, there are two ATX actiontypes that CE hasn't implemented, according to Lee himself. IIRC, AT 119 (rain/snow effect) was one of them, I forget which was the other one (I *think* it may have been AT 102).
And even if you can now write alternate actiontypes yourself in CE, that would still require editing the existing levels to use them - so, they won't work properly with CE "out of the box".

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:06 am 
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No, there are two ATX actiontypes that CE hasn't implemented, according to Lee himself. IIRC, AT 119 (rain/snow effect) was one of them, I forget which was the other one (I *think* it may have been AT 102).

Totally forgot about the rain and snow! Damn, that's a big one, too...

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And even if you can now write alternate actiontypes yourself in CE, that would still require editing the existing levels to use them - so, they won't work properly with CE "out of the box".

That's what I meant when I said "There are ways we have come up with to make some things...but they require some modding skill to get set-up on older ATX-made levels."

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So Lee came in and helped us out with the plugin system. Has anyone tried it?

Haven't done so myself - in fact, I have yet to really take a look at the new changes in CE. As far as I can tell, it's still the same coding system as before. I seem to recall reading the sample scripts provided and couldn't make sense of it.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:26 am 
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In any case. If you don't have any issue with ATX (like TheIdiot above), you have no issue to run them along in the same folder/setup together :)

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:17 am 
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Okay, thank you. Now I understand the situation better :) The next question, is there any graphics modifications that compatible with the CE patch? Like Improved draw distance (no 2d replacements for distant objects), fixed levels so objects lie on the ground and not soar in the air? Improved the texture?

I want to write a small article-reminiscence about the game since it will be 20 years since release, and for this purpose, I would like to use the improved version of the game. Usually I'm against this, but Trespasser was a game on the edge of technology, so I think it's acceptable in its case.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:28 am 
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Lol, do i need to install official 1.1 patch?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:17 pm 
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The next question, is there any graphics modifications that compatible with the CE patch? Like Improved draw distance (no 2d replacements for distant objects)


Yes. Check out the trespasser.ini file found in the "docs" folder for description for the various options. There is some settings so the LOD doesn't load close to the player.

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fixed levels so objects lie on the ground and not soar in the air?


Yes and no. There are very few released fixes for this. However, I am, along with TheIdiot currently working on something like this, while also combining several levels with into one, fixing ALL height issues possible. People see me as a foliage height fix modder ;P

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Improved the texture?


I believe TheIdiot have released a HD texture pack. It does not cover most textures but some. But at the moment there are no full improved/HD texture pack release. Maybe one day someone will undertake that big task and redo all textures with HD texture (and texture fixes).

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I want to write a small article-reminiscence about the game since it will be 20 years since release, and for this purpose, I would like to use the improved version of the game. Usually I'm against this, but Trespasser was a game on the edge of technology, so I think it's acceptable in its case.


I would say it is acceptable. We've had ATX for years that improved Draw Distance. In my opinion, the default one in original Trespasser looks horrible now, really horrible.

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Lol, do i need to install official 1.1 patch?


You do not. That applies to both the ATX and CE patch :)

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The next question, is there any graphics modifications that compatible with the CE patch? Like Improved draw distance (no 2d replacements for distant objects)


Yes. Check out the trespasser.ini file found in the "docs" folder for description for the various options. There is some settings so the LOD doesn't load close to the player.

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I want to write a small article-reminiscence about the game since it will be 20 years since release, and for this purpose, I would like to use the improved version of the game. Usually I'm against this, but Trespasser was a game on the edge of technology, so I think it's acceptable in its case.


I would say it is acceptable. We've had ATX for years that improved Draw Distance. In my opinion, the default one in original Trespasser looks horrible now, really horrible.

And before that, my hack that would allow you to change the draw distance in the original executable. And then my other hack that would allow you to set the aspect ratio to play the game with widescreen monitors. And first of all, that other hack (by someone else) that would allow you to select resolutions over 800*600 (my guess is the Tres developers disabled them so that the game wouldn't run even slower; same for setting the draw distance so low). When ATX was written, it incorporated all of those. And so did CE, too.
Most of what they do is lift the constraints artificially set by the Tres developers to attempt to make the game run smoother with the hardware available at the time.

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Improved the texture?


I believe TheIdiot have released a HD texture pack. It does not cover most textures but some. But at the moment there are no full improved/HD texture pack release. Maybe one day someone will undertake that big task and redo all textures with HD texture (and texture fixes).

Keep in mind that it will only work with CE (which allows you to load external textures to replace the original ones), and that terrain textures can't be replaced, only object's ones.

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fixed levels so objects lie on the ground and not soar in the air?


Yes and no. There are very few released fixes for this. However, I am, along with TheIdiot currently working on something like this, while also combining several levels with into one, fixing ALL height issues possible. People see me as a foliage height fix modder ;P

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Lol, do i need to install official 1.1 patch?


You do not. That applies to both the ATX and CE patch :)

I'd say it's recommended that you install the "large patch" version of patch 1.1, as that one *does* fix some of the floating trees and stuff, even if you're not going to run the exe anyway (using either CE or ATX). The small patch, consisting of the exe only, wouldn't make much sense. ATX is based on the 1.1 exe, and CE, though based on the 1.0 source, attempts to recreate the fixes added in 1.1.
If you *do* install the large path, however, I'd recommend you move the level files from the "Patch" folder created by it into the /data folder inside whatever path you originally copied the CD contents to in order to perform the HDD install, overwriting the original level files, and then remove the "Patch Dir" entry in the registry.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:47 am 
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People see me as a foliage height fix modder ;P

Indeed - I believe they call you tatu, "Foliage Master" :wink:

Beware if anyone plans on playing mod levels with additional draw distance, however, as setting it too high will result in some of the more detailed levels crashing due to object overload (Tres Legacy's jungle maze and a couple of my own levels come to mind).

Also, if you use the 1.1 Full patch, be aware that it also inexplicably removes some stuff which wasn't floating or otherwise misplaced...

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Beware if anyone plans on playing mod levels with additional draw distance, however, as setting it too high will result in some of the more detailed levels crashing due to object overload (Tres Legacy's jungle maze and a couple of my own levels come to mind).

I usually set it to 80m without problems. And that was from the times we only had ATX. I've played your Beach level with a setting of 100 in CE without problems.

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Also, if you use the 1.1 Full patch, be aware that it also inexplicably removes some stuff which wasn't floating or otherwise misplaced...

I think those were things which had (potential) physics glitches... the MW oven in Dr. Wu's bungalow is the first one that I remember.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:25 pm 
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And before that, my hack that would allow you to change the draw distance in the original executable. And then my other hack that would allow you to set the aspect ratio to play the game with widescreen monitors. And first of all, that other hack (by someone else) that would allow you to select resolutions over 800*600 (my guess is the Tres developers disabled them so that the game wouldn't run even slower; same for setting the draw distance so low). When ATX was written, it incorporated all of those. And so did CE, too.
Most of what they do is lift the constraints artificially set by the Tres developers to attempt to make the game run smoother with the hardware available at the time.


That is true. I guess what I meant was that ATX made all those more easily applied for more people.

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I'd say it's recommended that you install the "large patch" version of patch 1.1, as that one *does* fix some of the floating trees and stuff, even if you're not going to run the exe anyway (using either CE or ATX).


I am pretty sure back when I compared the changes in the levels made by the "large patch" (http://www.trescom.org/articles/differe ... patch-117/) there were no changes made to the height of any foliage and only a very few objects that can be found in the article linked. Overall I think it will be a preference. I never install the large patch and just keep different folders for each version instead. Overall, the large patch changes would probably only be noticeable in the town level for most people anyway, with the removal of Wu's microwave and the changes to the powerlines at the beginning of the level. Personally I feel like the large patch also does some weird "fixes", like the boxes in AS2, making them stack but in a tilted position.

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And before that, my hack that would allow you to change the draw distance in the original executable. And then my other hack that would allow you to set the aspect ratio to play the game with widescreen monitors. And first of all, that other hack (by someone else) that would allow you to select resolutions over 800*600 (my guess is the Tres developers disabled them so that the game wouldn't run even slower; same for setting the draw distance so low). When ATX was written, it incorporated all of those. And so did CE, too.
Most of what they do is lift the constraints artificially set by the Tres developers to attempt to make the game run smoother with the hardware available at the time.


That is true. I guess what I meant was that ATX made all those more easily applied for more people.

And I only meant that, even before ATX, people have been using various patches/hacks to make it look better while playing it, so there shouldn't be any reason not to use ATX or CE on modern systems...

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The 1.1 Trespasser "Large Patch" is metadigitally linked to timelines from the Tresapocalypse dimension and should be avoided at all costs. Also Wu's micro is one of the innermost consistency's of Tres Matter Core 2005-2018 imperative 1.3

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:37 pm 
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I completely lost, dunno what to do to have best version of trespasser. Currently, i've got tresp 1.1 and CE patch...


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